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- Date: 09-01-88 07:59
- From: Jerry Lewis
- To: Jim Speiser
- Subj: Reply 1
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- Thanks for relaying the reply, Jim. Here are a few comments that I'd
- appreciate your passing on to Dan Drasin, Ufologist.
- .
- I meant my comments as notes by a skeptic. My training is in stellar
- astronomy; I am not a specialist in planetary geology. The principle I'm
- using here is: "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof." The only
- "proof" available is a set of 4 photos that have already been examined and
- investigated by working planetary geologists at JPL. They found no evidence
- of non-natural formations in the photos.
- .
- Now, your allegations:
- .
- > a mature scientist would be unlikely to say "It's a case of making
- > meaning out of background noise". He would, rather, say "It *may* be
- > a case of making meaning out of background noise. Let us look into
- > this further."
- .
- I should have said this plainer: Like so many other pseudoscientific
- "investigations," it's a case of making meaning out of background noise.
- Nothing in Carlotto's article justifies second-guessing the opinions of the
- planetary geologists at JPL.
-
- > The 2 lower-resolution photos of Cydonia taken at radically
- > different sun-incidence angles are of more than sufficient resolution
- > to provide confirmation of Carlotto's shape-from-shading algorithms.
- .
- No, on page 1927 Carlotto specifically says "only the first two scenes have
- sufficient relsolution ... for our analysis." Actually, if 673B56 and 753A33
- were of sufficent resolution the "face" problem could be resolved one way or
- the other.
- .
- > What's the point of turning the face upside-down so it looks less
- > like a face?
- .
- The point is that you are less likely to see a "face" that isn't there.
- There's a whole literature on the psychology of perception. I suggest you
- read some of it.
- .
- > (eyelid, "teeth", "turban folds" etc.) visible most strongly on the
- > left side.
- .
- "Turban" folds?? Give me a break! (This is like the Shroud, with people
- seeing all sorts of stuff in a few smudges.)
-
- > Our best guess is that the "Face" weas never completely finished.
- .
- My best guess is that the "face" was never started.
- .
- > The 5-sided so-called "D&M Pyramid" (not part of the "City" complex) is a
- > different story. It's shaped like a human figure with outstretched arms.
- > It's "head" points directly at the large "Face". That sightline forms the
- > hypotenuse of a right triangle, etc., etc., etc., etc.
- .
- Gee, I don't see any of this stuff. I suspect that I could take about any
- of the Mars photos that show a lot of fuzzy terrain and you could find lots
- of interesting objects.
- .
- > In what *sense* does Carlotto cite the Pozos and Hoagland books?
- .
- He cites the books both in the body of the paper and the endnotes (pp.
- 1926; 1928; 1933). He uses them as examples of previous interest in the
- "face," as if the books were legitimate scientific publications.
-
-
- > It is only the great scientists, not the hacks, who seem to have the
- > courage to re-examine the very fabric of their own assumptions.
- .
- A classic pseudoscientific statement. With a belief like this you could
- justify any lunacy you wanted to.
- .
- > To equate legitimate "expertise" with specialization in *geology* is
- > lamentably circular, to say nothing of narrow.
- .
- Viking planetary geologists have examined hundreds of pictures of Mars and
- other planets. Their analysis of the Viking photos has been published in
- refereed journals and is backed up by geolgists world-wide. None of the
- planetary geologists have any difficulty telling the difference between
- artificial and natural formations.
- .
- > Now, I challenge you to name even one NASA anthropologist, or one person
- > on the Viking team who's ever studied and understood the work of
- > Paolo Soleri.
- .
- They don't study or understand the work of Velikovsky, either. It's just
- not relevant.
-
-
- > But *cynics* need not apply --they are mostly on ego-trips and
- > tend to waste people's time. Almost without exception they generate
- > much heat and very little light.
- .
- This is the pot calling the kettle black. Much heat has been generated by
- UFO believers about the "face" on Mars, and none of it is based on solid
- evidence. My advice: either put up or shut up.
- .
- > If you put no conditions on it, i.e., explore with an open mind, you will
- > collect a great richness of data
- .
- Yep, and the more open the mind, the richer the data will be. Ask Shirley
- MacLaine.
- .
- > Don't believe me; read Thomas Kuhn's *The Structure of Scientific
- > Revolutions*.
- .
- Poor Tom Kuhn. Every recent pseudoscientist, including creationist Henry
- Morris, has cited Kuhn as evidence that they are right and the scientific
- establishment is wrong. As Phillip Kitcher wrote, "Thomas Kuhn's book has
- probably been more widely read -- and more widely misinterpreted -- than any
- other book in the recent philosophy of science." (Abusing Science, p. 168)
- .
- > Mr. Lewis' phrase, "the ridiculousness of what was being enhanced"
- > brings to mind a favorite phrase of Dr. Hynek: "Ridicule is not part
- > of scientific method."
- .
- "Ridiculousness" was used in the secondary meaning of "something
- preposterous," *not* in the sense of "deserving ridicule." My point was that
- the "Applied Optics" was evidently more interested in the techniques Carlotto
- was using on the images than the images themselves.
- .
- Note: Sarcasm has no place in scientific papers, but I don't consider this
- forum exactly on the level of "Nature." It's part of my style; ignore it if
- that'll make you feel better.
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- * Origin: Verbose Ink * WOC'n with Words * Big D * (Opus 1:124/125)
-